A sample low carb diet argument

This low carb craze isn't going away. Seems we have to expose these arguments to the light and purge them. Below is some of the low carb literature flying around. I think the low carb diet is completely wrong, yet just try convincing someone who believes in low carbs. At the very least this thread will help so we don't get blindsided by their arguments.

"There was no association between dietary intake of SFAs and incident coronary events or mortality in patients with established CAD." J Nutr. 2015 Feb;145(2):299-305. doi: 10.3945/jn.114.203505. Epub 2014 Dec 10.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25644351

"COLUMBUS, Ohio – Doubling or even nearly tripling saturated fat in the diet does not drive up total levels of saturated fat in the blood, according to a controlled diet study." Published on November 21, 2014

https://news.osu.edu/news/2014/11/21/study-doubling-saturated-fat-in-the-diet-does-not-increase-saturated-fat-in-blood/

"The results show that dietary and plasma saturated fat are not related, and that increasing dietary carbohydrate across a range of intakes promotes incremental increases in plasma palmitoleic acid, a biomarker consistently associated with adverse health outcomes."

Published: November 21, 2014
DOI: 10.1371/journal.pone.0113605

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0113605

"A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD." First published January 13, 2010, doi: 10.3945/ajcn.2009.27725

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2010/01/13/ajcn.2009.27725.abstract

Hmmm, I came across a new term that seems to be important to low carb people. To defeat their arguments we need to empathize with them. The new term is very low density lipo protein. Apparently low-carb enthusiasts see them as the real enemy.

"It is also important to minimize the amount of simple carbohydrates consumed, such as processed white bread, pasta, and crackers, as well as sweets like candy or cookies, as these can cause VLDL cholesterol levels to spike." wisegeekhealth retrieved Sept 14, 2015.

Note in the same article "Foods that are high in fiber like fruits, vegetables, and whole grains are known to have a positive impact."

Basically what I am getting is low carb enthusiasts see that white sugar and flour products are bad and eliminate almost all carbs. We can learn from them though. Processed white bread and so forth = unhealthy. Note low-carb dieters avoid milk because of the lactose sugar in liquid form. We really are only fighting over fruit and meats. Low carbs think fruit is the enemy and raw vegans think meat is the enemy.

http://www.wisegeekhealth.com/what-are-the-best-tips-to-lower-vldl-...

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RawVeganGamer September 13, 2015 at 6:07pm

    Hmmm, I came across a new term that seems to be important to low carb people. To defeat their arguments we need to empathize with them. The new term is very low density lipo protein. Apparently low-carb enthusiasts see them as the real enemy.

   "It is also important to minimize the amount of simple carbohydrates consumed, such as processed white bread, pasta, and crackers, as well as sweets like candy or cookies, as these can cause VLDL cholesterol levels to spike." wisegeekhealth retrieved Sept 14, 2015.

Note in the same article "Foods that are high in fiber like fruits, vegetables, and whole grains are known to have a positive impact."

   Basically what I am getting is low carb enthusiasts see that white sugar and flour products are bad and eliminate almost all carbs. We can learn from them though. Processed white bread and so forth = unhealthy. Note low-carb dieters avoid milk because of the lactose sugar in liquid form. We really are only fighting over fruit and meats. Low carbs think fruit is the enemy and raw vegans think meat is the enemy.

http://www.wisegeekhealth.com/what-are-the-best-tips-to-lower-vldl-...
- Bella Rosebery > RawVeganGamer September 13, 2015 at 7:22pm
  
  Hi. I agree it's so hard to convince these carb-phobic people in the gym industry. That's one of the reason I've gone back to school because my friends who are the standard issue noobs on clen and test have no idea what a carbohydrate is no matter how much they deadlifting. Some vegucation has to happen around macronutrients and particularly the dangers of animal based igf1. Dr Michael Greger is such an entertaining lecturer and would be so useful if his NutritionFact.org series was used in schools. I have a male friend who is limiting what he can do in his life according to how bloated he thinks he is and blames it on carb binges. The binging is because he's not eating the right kind of calories and the things these noobs think is slimming like cured meats is water retention central. I understand your frustration. I am just goin to show him that I can eat loads of fruit and Vegas and glycogen and remain slim. I'm sick of being told I'm lucky cos of genetics. I was 10% body fat a few months ago and I want to increase that but having a pituatary tumour means weight gain can be difficult so CTFU is where it's at
  
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  - RawVeganGamer > Bella Rosebery September 13, 2015 at 8:38pm
    
    I like the term vegucation you used. I've been meaning to look up IGF-1 with meat. Mostly I hear IGF-1 and dairy.
    
    http://nutritionfacts.org/2013/02/14/animal-protein-and-igf-1/
    - Bella Rosebery > RawVeganGamer September 13, 2015 at 9:19pm
      
      It's crazy. It's so obvious to us how destructive meat consumption is to ones health and for ethical reasons ,but fitness industry noobs are are so self obsessed that they believe the mythology created by a few overweight or deceased doctors in the 80s. The misinformation is so engrained even the mainstream nutrition faculties at University are indoctrinated by meat dairy and pharmaceutical industry dogma. If enough people walk the talk people may finally give up their errant ways. I am writing a blog on my health reasons for going vegan,and my 20s were ruined by the spectre of chronic kidney issues caused by working in the fitness industry and consuming a high protein diet.
      - RawVeganGamer > Bella Rosebery September 14, 2015 at 5:51pm
        
        Stinks about chronic kidney issues. I hope you are feeling better now. Walking the walk is hard. When all your friends act weird when you refuse free pizza. Or you on a long outing and are so famished you'll eat any food.
        
        Let alone resistance from yourself. Old habits die hard. Changing your palette. Detox symptoms. Let alone vegan-ism isn't supported by the food pyramid nor public school's nutrition classes.

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