Raw Till 4 made me obese (BMI 30+), advice needed - do I stick it out or what? - Forum

OK, let's hit it with all of the relevant info straight away:

Height - 177 cm

Starting weight/BMI - 70kg/22.3

Current weight/BMI - 100kg/31.9

What does my diet consist of?

For fruit I usually have bananas, peaches (canned in juice), or oranges, and I occasionally eat more expensive fruits like berries to try to add variety. I sometimes drink smoothies, and rarely drink orange juice. If I do drink juice, I make sure it has as much fiber as possible.

For my cooked food I eat either steamed potatoes, bulgur wheat with lime or brown rice. If I eat brown rice I often use tomato sauce that I make myself. It is very low sodium so I'm not too concerned about it (salt intake is almost always 1g a day or less). I eat tender leafy greens three or four times a week, and other vegetables maybe a couple of times a week.

About 60% of my calories are raw and 40% are cooked. That's the best I can do right now.

What exercise do I do?

At the moment I walk at a fast pace for about 5 hours a week, do about four hours a week of cardio that causes some serious sweating and lift weights for two hours a week. I thought about lifting weights more and cutting down on cardio but decided against it - cardio seems more natural.

What's my caloric intake?

At least 4000 cals a day, usually more. 90/5/5 macro ratios. I am never hungry.

What's my past history?

I calorie restricted quite a lot for about a year when I was young, and lost a lot of weight that way, and then ate a high protein and high fat diet for a while afterwards, probably close to another year, which involved some calorie restriction but less than before. I started raw till 4 10 or 11 months ago, but I can't remember exactly when right now.

Other:

I take a B12 Methylated supplement, so I don't think that's the problem, and I have done blood tests so I know that I don't have hypothyroidism (my T3 is high actually). I should also mention that while water is no problem, I sometimes have trouble sleeping because I'm in a very high stress environment.

So, does anybody know what the problem is? Durianrider or Freelee? Is this just normal weight gain because I restricted in the past? I was prepared for some gain but didn't think it would be this much. I kind of worry that I'll just keep on getting fatter until I reach something ridiculous like 300lbs. but another part of me thinks it's ridiculous to suggest that someone could get that fat on this lifestyle. Otoh I never thought I would gain as much as I have.

Thanks in advice to all you wonderful people.

you will tend to gain when first eating more carbs than you did before, especially those coming from calorie restriction. but it will balance out over time if you are consistent in following a healthy lifestyle. calorie restriction has no place in long term healthy high vibe lifestyles. the motto here on 30BaD is "eat more to live more".

* We recommend womyn eat at least 2500 calories from fruits daily and men get at least 3000 calories and more if one wants to live an active, passionate lifestyle. We will not tolerate what we deem as "anti-fruit" posts or advice that recommends calorie restriction/or the suggestion that others are "overeating on fruit"

http://www.30bananasaday.com/notes/This_is_how_we_do_things_here_on...

Daily Recipe for Long Term Success

Minimum Calories: Females: 2500 Males: 3000
Whole, raw plant food foundation. (ie RT4: Steam potatoes: not bag of chips.)
Minimize processed foods and stimulants like caffeine
½-2 heads of lettuce greens. (Minimize high oxalate foods like spinach and kale.)
Get a palm of raw nuts or seeds.
Low fat: not no fat! (5-10% of calories average)
Simple meals. Rotate foods for maximum nutrient exposure.
Drink enough water. Urinate almost clear.
Early nights with 8-12 hours for rest and repairs.
Exercise and resist gravity 30 minutes most days. One day off for repairs.
Sunbathe 30 minutes for vitamin D and healthy bones and teeth.
Lower stress triggers.
Avoid comparison traps. Be your REAL self and not your social media guru's highlight reel.
lOOk Outward beyond the self. Better the planet.

Aloha to 30BaD's Welcome Wagon!

The 30BaD Crew

Replies

vegan witch Ⓥ February 3, 2015 at 5:17pm

HINT - if your waking up feeling stuffed and not starving your eating too late at night.

dont eat 3-4 hours before sleeping.
Annelife February 3, 2015 at 4:20pm

High t3 levels actually indicate LOW thyroid function. T3 is produced as a message in your brain to tell your thyroid to produce more hormones. When your T3 is high, that means that message system in your brain is "screaming" at your thyrpid rather than talking to it, because the thyrpid is not obeying the messages to release enough hormones.
- Ray > Annelife February 4, 2015 at 10:22am
  
  Think u mean tsh - Thyroid stimulating hormone
Diospyros February 3, 2015 at 2:25pm

If you are eating a lot of metal canned food, watch out! Scientists now found that the BPA chemical found in the lining of many cans is an endocrine disrupter in even tiny amounts.
Taka February 2, 2015 at 12:49am

lately i've been pulling the unlimited calorie thing in doubt, cause i was getting fat, still in my healthy bmi range but i looked fat, lol, even my morbidly obese mother said i was getting fat, it only works if you're really active is what i think now.. i am literally sedentary (not like some people here claiming they are sedentary and then saying they work out 5 hours a week), now i eat around 2700-3000 kcal a day in stead of the 3500 i used to eat, still monitoring my nutrient intake on cronometer.

Man at very hard muscular work........................... 5500 Calories
Man at moderately hard muscular work...................4150 Calories
Man at moderately active muscular work................3400 Calories
Man at moderately light work..................................3050 Calories
Man at sedentary work......................................... 2700 Calories
Man without muscular exercise.............................. 2450 Calories
Woman at light to moderate muscular work........... 2450 Calories
- Marius J > Taka February 2, 2015 at 1:20am
  
  I've had the same experience as you and agree with you 100%. I'm eating anywhere from 2500-3500 depends on how much I exercize, usually 4-10 hours a week. Eating much more than I need caused slow weight gain for me to.
  - ednshell > Marius J February 2, 2015 at 7:14am
    
    you will tend to gain when first eating more carbs than you did before, especially those coming from calorie restriction. but it will balance out over time if you are consistent in following a healthy lifestyle. calorie restriction has no place in long term healthy high vibe lifestyles. the motto here on 30BaD is "eat more to live more".
    
    * We recommend womyn eat at least 2500 calories from fruits daily and men get at least 3000 calories and more if one wants to live an active, passionate lifestyle. We will not tolerate what we deem as "anti-fruit" posts or advice that recommends calorie restriction/or the suggestion that others are "overeating on fruit"
    
    http://www.30bananasaday.com/notes/This_is_how_we_do_things_here_on...
    
    Daily Recipe for Long Term Success
    
    Minimum Calories: Females: 2500 Males: 3000
    
    Whole, raw plant food foundation. (ie RT4: Steam potatoes: not bag of chips.)
    
    Minimize processed foods and stimulants like caffeine
    
    ½-2 heads of lettuce greens. (Minimize high oxalate foods like spinach and kale.)
    
    Get a palm of raw nuts or seeds.
    
    Low fat: not no fat! (5-10% of calories average)
    
    Simple meals. Rotate foods for maximum nutrient exposure.
    
    Drink enough water. Urinate almost clear.
    
    Early nights with 8-12 hours for rest and repairs.
    
    Exercise and resist gravity 30 minutes most days. One day off for repairs.
    
    Sunbathe 30 minutes for vitamin D and healthy bones and teeth.
    
    Lower stress triggers.
    
    Avoid comparison traps. Be your REAL self and not your social media guru's highlight reel.
    
    lOOk Outward beyond the self. Better the planet.
    
    Aloha to 30BaD's Welcome Wagon!
    
    The 30BaD Crew
Get Raw Vegan February 1, 2015 at 11:03pm

cut out the weights, when you lift weights you are asking to gain weight, when you perform cardio you are burning cals, also because of your past restrictive lifestyle your body is healing, once it realises you are no longer restricting it will let go and your body will find it's optimum, but this takes time! ride it out! I was the oposite I lost weight first then put a bit back on now ive stabilized
- Get Raw Vegan > Get Raw Vegan February 2, 2015 at 1:27am
  
  I didn't say fat I said weight, big difference!! You can lean up and become heavier because muscle is heavier than fat! So as I said if you want to loose weight cut out the weights increase your cardio to burn fat once the fat is gone you can then start to build lean muscle!!
- Mick Asturiano > Get Raw Vegan February 2, 2015 at 12:23am
  
  Lifting weights shouldn't make you gain fat, if anything the opposite (by increasing resting metabolism). I have no desire to be or look like and endurance athlete like a cyclist, and my skeletal structure isn't built for it anyway (too big).
  
  I already do 4 days where do pretty intense cardio for an hour, and I walk at a fast pace for over an hour whilst carrying a backpack five days a week. I would be surprised if lack of cardio is the problem.

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