at first it started out friendly but then she just pushed my buttons so I kinda lashed out saying "at least nothing has to die for me to eat". I got a little bitchy but honestly, I would respect her opinion and decision to eat meat if it wasn't harming any other creature so no, I don't respect meat eaters and I do 'look down upon them' because they're contributing to animal abuse. Just because I don't respect their meat eating behaviour doesn't mean I'm going to call them out on it but she asked for it. She's the one who disrespected my eating habits, which doesn't harm anyone or anything and obviously made me angry so what was she expecting? An applause? No. She's going to be hit hard with cold hard facts about her actions and the impact it has on her environment and body. Maybe I went too far but if she's going to question what I do, I'm going to tell her my opinion and why I do what I do and when she disagrees with that opinion she should just keep quiet because honestly, I don't question her diet, I let it go although it pains and frustrates me. I know better than to tell her that I think her consumption of meat is wrong UNLESS she says to me she thinks it's right, whereas I'll obviously disagree and stand up for the animals because she just stuck up for animal abuse by saying that. Does that make sense? I know I'm bitchy about it but there's no nice way to tell someone that their meat loving instincts are wrong. She asked me why, I told her, she disagrees, that's her problem, not mine. Am I being 'unreasonable'? I never talk about their consumption of meat THEY are the ones who are interested in my lifestyle so why the hell do they tell me stupid shit like "2 litres of water a day can kill you" "eating so much fruit is unhealthy" "I couldn't do that" if they don't want me to argue that point?!?
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-Alright, does she/he want to worship you like a god then? expected her to respect you because you're all almighty one? You will be even more looked down upon them + I won't smoke unicorns up your ass, I'll tell you how it is. Why not ended the conversation. x) You should have ended friendship, don't need people like that or you can still make up for it, let's carry on. (Though, if it's your family member, have good connections with them and whenever they 'joke' around with that, compliment them back with scientific facts. Then we'll see who will be laughing back. x).
*She's the one who disrespected my eating habits*
-How? Weird looks? I'd punch her in the face, or give disgusting look back.
* I let it go although it pains and frustrates me.*
-You should get yourself a punching bag, Or I can be your punching bag, my love! <3 (wink wink)
* I know I'm bitchy about it*
-Aren't we all? x)
* no nice way to tell someone that their meat loving instincts are*
-Only when someone disrespects you, then yeah I understand. However, you should of just walked off. I know I'm a coward, aren't I... x) I guess we have so much in common.. x)))
*like "2 litres of water a day can kill you" "eating so much fruit is unhealthy" "I couldn't do that" if they don't want me to argue that point?!?*
-Now, yeah.. You got me, I totally understand. What's the point arguing if they won't change their mind. Just show them who's the boss, though later they'll complain on twitter and facebook how 'VEGANS' are so BAD! Or best way to ignore those little ants is just to listen to music on 'LOUD'. ;)
I'm the same way ... If a person is someone that is nice and I like them I give softer politically correct responses if they ask about my diet or try to debate, but if it's someone I generally don't care for and feel is being a jerk I respond like you did.
Kill them with kindness works best sometimes. Gracious, calm, peaceful, happy.
Sometimes being hardcore bad to the bone with them works better. That's the kind of person you are, and thats awesome, it sounds like you gave her something to remember.
No you were not too harsh. In fact, you just tell them stuff they don't want to hear and don't want to accept because it's out of their comfortzone. Sooner or later you tell them that by their "opinions" they'll find themselves defending animal abuse. Also eating animals is not a personal choice whatsoever.
I learned that you can't fill a glas that's already full. So don't even waste your time and energy to "force" the truth on other ppl they really don't wanna know even if it's them asking you.
HAHA you're witnessing the classic defensive response.
You make a great point about a COMPULSION so many corpse eaters can't resist. They somehow have an irresistible impulse to initiate a confrontational discussion about dietary and lifestyle choices whereas vegan people rarely, if ever, feel a similar compulsion to discuss their flesh eating habit. It's just not a natural response.
I've been vegan long enough to have seen this literally 1000s of times and it's always exactly the same tired old clone like behaviour and programmed rhetoric which is very easy to counter once you're expecting it.
As you say just letting it go is the least stressful option and if necessary set it as an out of bounds topic if your friend is too stubborn or belligerent to also let it go.
Personally if someone persists aggressively and won't back off I just shut them down hard. There's nothing harsh about that if you've already exhausted all available polite and reasonable options.
Yep, I shut her down multiple times but she wouldn't shut up. I actually didn't want to talk about it but honestly, she angered me so much. Should I actually be thinking of finding different friends? I only ever spend time with them at school. Thanks for calming my conscience. I'm actually very sensitive, timid and empathetic but it's clear she pushed me too far.
Yup I know what it's like to deal with the type that just won't give up. It's so easy to get angry when you're aware of the absurdity involved. Despite this try to keep calm because there's no logical reason you ought to take it personally.
In my experience people's reactions vary substantially. Most are apathetic and negative, however you'll occasionally find those who are more open minded, tolerant and rational. These are the precious and rare people you'll probably be more attracted to.
I can't tell you whether or not you should find new friends. That's ultimately your call pending an assessment of what you're prepared to tolerate by continuing the relationship VS what you're prepared to lose if you choose to end it.
Even if you do end friendships for the reasons you've explained then your conscience remains crystal clear in my opinion. No need to justify yourself there.
If you're pushed too far that's not healthy and conflict in any form is harmful especially if you're sensitive. It's a rough world and it's impossible to avoid completely. If you have the choice to take a more peaceful path always go for it. Sometimes 'character building' is more trouble than it's worth. Often the best option is to just walk away rather than persevere with something that's obviously futile and stressful.
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We would be perfect for each other! <3
*"at least nothing has to die for me to eat"*
-You must understand that it's already dead.
*look down upon them'*
-Alright, does she/he want to worship you like a god then? expected her to respect you because you're all almighty one? You will be even more looked down upon them + I won't smoke unicorns up your ass, I'll tell you how it is. Why not ended the conversation. x) You should have ended friendship, don't need people like that or you can still make up for it, let's carry on. (Though, if it's your family member, have good connections with them and whenever they 'joke' around with that, compliment them back with scientific facts. Then we'll see who will be laughing back. x).
*She's the one who disrespected my eating habits*
-How? Weird looks? I'd punch her in the face, or give disgusting look back.
* I let it go although it pains and frustrates me.*
-You should get yourself a punching bag, Or I can be your punching bag, my love! <3 (wink wink)
* I know I'm bitchy about it*
-Aren't we all? x)
* no nice way to tell someone that their meat loving instincts are*
-Only when someone disrespects you, then yeah I understand. However, you should of just walked off. I know I'm a coward, aren't I... x) I guess we have so much in common.. x)))
*like "2 litres of water a day can kill you" "eating so much fruit is unhealthy" "I couldn't do that" if they don't want me to argue that point?!?*
-Now, yeah.. You got me, I totally understand. What's the point arguing if they won't change their mind. Just show them who's the boss, though later they'll complain on twitter and facebook how 'VEGANS' are so BAD! Or best way to ignore those little ants is just to listen to music on 'LOUD'. ;)
Hahahahahha...
Chill out please.
Kill them with kindness works best sometimes. Gracious, calm, peaceful, happy.
Sometimes being hardcore bad to the bone with them works better. That's the kind of person you are, and thats awesome, it sounds like you gave her something to remember.
Good job.
No you were not too harsh. In fact, you just tell them stuff they don't want to hear and don't want to accept because it's out of their comfortzone. Sooner or later you tell them that by their "opinions" they'll find themselves defending animal abuse. Also eating animals is not a personal choice whatsoever.
I learned that you can't fill a glas that's already full. So don't even waste your time and energy to "force" the truth on other ppl they really don't wanna know even if it's them asking you.
HAHA you're witnessing the classic defensive response.
You make a great point about a COMPULSION so many corpse eaters can't resist. They somehow have an irresistible impulse to initiate a confrontational discussion about dietary and lifestyle choices whereas vegan people rarely, if ever, feel a similar compulsion to discuss their flesh eating habit. It's just not a natural response.
I've been vegan long enough to have seen this literally 1000s of times and it's always exactly the same tired old clone like behaviour and programmed rhetoric which is very easy to counter once you're expecting it.
As you say just letting it go is the least stressful option and if necessary set it as an out of bounds topic if your friend is too stubborn or belligerent to also let it go.
Personally if someone persists aggressively and won't back off I just shut them down hard. There's nothing harsh about that if you've already exhausted all available polite and reasonable options.
Yup I know what it's like to deal with the type that just won't give up. It's so easy to get angry when you're aware of the absurdity involved. Despite this try to keep calm because there's no logical reason you ought to take it personally.
In my experience people's reactions vary substantially. Most are apathetic and negative, however you'll occasionally find those who are more open minded, tolerant and rational. These are the precious and rare people you'll probably be more attracted to.
I can't tell you whether or not you should find new friends. That's ultimately your call pending an assessment of what you're prepared to tolerate by continuing the relationship VS what you're prepared to lose if you choose to end it.
Even if you do end friendships for the reasons you've explained then your conscience remains crystal clear in my opinion. No need to justify yourself there.
If you're pushed too far that's not healthy and conflict in any form is harmful especially if you're sensitive. It's a rough world and it's impossible to avoid completely. If you have the choice to take a more peaceful path always go for it. Sometimes 'character building' is more trouble than it's worth. Often the best option is to just walk away rather than persevere with something that's obviously futile and stressful.