The Frugivore Diet

help plz my parentsand dietshion would not allow me to be HCLFV

2015-08-28T12:04:46.000Z

hey guys plz i need help and its being annoying me for the past few months okay

i finish recovering from my eating disorder/anorexia in november, a during that time i was force to be pescetarianism until i was better so on november 10th 2014 i became vegan what i wanted to be for a long time but couldn't coz of my 2 years of that.

for the last 6 months i want to be a high car low fat vegan, but my parents and even my dietician would not alowed me and here are some of my parents reason
1. carb makes you fat
2.sugar makes you fat
3. all those other people that do that must be doing exercise 24/7
4. we by the food wait till you old enough to get your own place
5. it cost lot of money
6. you being brainwashed
7. do what your dietician say she's the expert she study in these for over 12 years

okay 1st, yeah i did gain weight coz i try it for a month before my parents made m stop. i do cardio 5 days a week and weight training 6 days a week, im already vegan why cant i be high carb low fat vegan. even my dietician would allow me to do that. im 16 150cm (short for my age haha-4.9 foot) 55 kg.

so my question is how can i get my parents and my dietician for letting me be a high carb low fat vegan thx you for your time

Going to a nutritionist! Need Help!

2015-04-05T08:19:47.000Z

Hello everyone, as you can tell from the title i'm going to see a nutritionist. It's not my choice believe me, its my mums. I'm 15 and I've been vegan for almost 3 months now and have followed the hclf vegan lifestyle I'm going to be writing down what I eat for a week on my vegan lifestyle so the nutritionist person can see it and was seeing, as there's a lot of people on this discussion, if anybody knew any foods that I could get so I can prove to the nutritionist/dietitian that I'm getting enough nutrients for my "growing body"? not that I haven't done my research in this lifestyle, I just thought it would help if I talked to people who had been doing it longer and were more experienced :)

Would really appreciate the help guys! Thank you!

Calcium and vitamin E

2015-01-29T05:49:55.000Z

On cron o meter whenever i put what i eat in a day in there it says i only have had 60% (500mg) of my daily calcium, and also only about 50% (8mg) of my daily vitamin E. I eat about 2500 calories everyday and all my other nutrients are pretty much fine. maybe the vitamin e thing is because of a low fat diet and vitamin e is found in fattier foods?i try to keep my ratios between 5 and 10 percent of fat and protein

I've heard that vegans need less calcium because vegan sources are easy to absorb but i'm not sure if its true

does anyone know some good sources of vitamin e and calcium that will keep my ratios around 80/10/10?

thanks :)

Is this diet possible when bananas may not be an option??

2014-11-24T17:59:33.000Z

Hello, I am considering moving in with my parents for 6 months but there is a big problem in that my Mum is so allergic to bananas that even the smell makes her vomit!

I thought I could maybe store my bananas in the garden but I run the risk of animals stealing them all haha - does anyone have any experience of storing fruit in the garden??

If that won't work I will have to just not eat bananas while I stay there! Does anyone have any tips for a banana free HCLF diet??

potato corn chowder

2014-11-17T22:25:24.000Z

For dinner I made potato corn chowder VEGAN style. I was gonna use almond milk to thicken it but then I had a genious idea. rather then veggie broth I just used water. I put in potatos onions garlic mushrooms corn pepper and some carrots and celary. Then I put just a table spoon of corn starch but I used maseca corn flower to thicken it the rest of the way this gave it a really nice southwestern style flavor its really nice. If I couldn’t find corn flour I’d use corn meal but that might be too gritty. No fat high carb totally vegan!!

its really tasty and filling and its really thick and hte thickness isnt creamy fat! but starchy from the corn flour. has an over all corn taste to it really tasty. It'd be good topped with fresh tomatos or jalepenos if you want some heat.

Rice Cooker Recommendations?

2014-10-27T23:02:52.000Z

Brands, models? Also, it having a steamer is a must. Links would be awesome :).

Cheers

how to do this diet on a low budget?

2014-10-11T17:47:41.000Z

Hi everyone I'm new to this I haven't even started the diet yet. I wanted to know is it possible to have this healthy life style and how on a low budget? Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.

Seasonings and Spices

2014-09-30T14:35:35.000Z

I wanted to hear everyone's thoughts on Seasonings and Spices.

Such as cumin, coriander, cayenne (red) pepper, ginger, garlic, and etc etc. All without sodium. Do you season your vegan cooked meal? Or do you prefer no seasonings? What are some of your favorite things to add to your cooked meals?

Strange headache

2014-09-29T19:25:55.000Z

Dears,

I am a person willing to take this path - first become vegetarian, then vegan, then hopefully raw one day. Nevertheless, I find myself tripping over even on square 1.

I have been trying to make today vegetarian - without meat.

During the day I consumed 1500 calories. Now I am having dinner which should make also about 1000 calories. I feel like my head is empty. A strange headache like vacuum. Has anyone had such a strange headache and what is the solution to this?

Thank you very much.

Chipotle?

2014-09-11T20:29:10.000Z

Well, I am guessing that not all Chipotle locations are as vegan friendly as others... I had what I was told was a vegan burrito for dinner, but ended up being so sick to my stomach and so gassy.

So today (and probably the rest of the week) will be 100% raw, I need to let my body heal from that ordeal.

Has anyone else had this problem? How did you handle it?

Waist Trainers?!

2014-08-30T17:52:12.000Z

Recently, I've been more and more intrigued about waist trainers. I saw this one page on Instagram that sells waist trainers, and the results are incredible, so incredible that it's hard to believe. How do you all feel about waist trainers? Any opinions/experience with waist trainers are encouraged!!! <3Thank you so much!Link to waist trainer store: http://waistgangsociety.storenvy.com

I just had a revelation!

2014-08-22T22:19:57.000Z

In the last couple hours, I have realized why Raw Till 4 is so important!

So I notice I get 'hangry' quite regularly... without even feeling an emptiness in my stomach. I lose focus, ignoring what's going on around me, including conversations people are having WITH me, I lose patience, I probably have a grumpy face, too.

Instead of Raw Till 4, today I had a Raw-Till-1:30pm day... which rarely happens, but I didn't plan my day properly, had a meeting at a local coffee shop, and settled for their absolutely delicious vegan steel cut oats.

My stomach was still feeling good when I was on my way to work at 3:30, but I knew had to stop and grab food for dinner (very poorly planned day).

By the time I got to work, I must have still been digesting the oats...

I am normally an extremely kind, welcoming, friendly person - but the first customer I had was a mom trying to get her daughter a job, and on reflection, I was really short & impatient with them.

Situation aside, I realized that this part of me is practically unknown, and I can only attribute it to the fact that complex carbohydrates are, well, complex. They are harder for our bodies to break down, therefore taking more time for us to retrieve the precious energy contained within.

My revelation - I always wondered why 4... why is this rule so solid that it creates the title of the lifestyle we follow - why? If we are still including cooked foods in our diet, it is essential that we save them until later in the day when we generally start to wind down, we require less energy, and we probably spend the better part of digestion & assimilation while we are asleep.

People have started asking me about my 'drastic' diet - I often recommend them to start with fruit for breakfast, and now it will come with a disclaimer. The difference between fruit for breakfast, and fruit for breakfast AND lunch is so vast that it can literally change your life - it sure changed mine.

It now makes me curious what all raw long-term would do...

For a while, I gave up this aspiration... but now I'm starting to reconsider.

howto make datorade taste good?

2014-08-19T05:05:20.000Z

i've tried blending dates and water so many different ways because everyone says it tastes so good but everytime i make it its kind of gross. any recommendations? thanks! :)

Low/medium oxalate greens

2014-08-13T08:33:59.000Z

It's not correct that kale and broccoli is high in oxalate greens.LOW OXALATE GREENSMustard Greens (boiled)Cabbage (nappa, purple, green, savoy)Bok ChoyTurnip Greens (boiled)Dino/Lacinato/Tuscan Kale (boiled)Lettuce (Cornsalad, Iceberg, Bibb)Lettuce (Romaine, Butter, Boston)Broccoli Rabe/RapiniCollard GreensCreasy/American Cress (boiled)Pea GreensWater Cress(raw or boiled)KohlrabiBroccoli (raw or boiled)MEDIUM OXALATE GREENSCollard greens(boiled or steamed)Belgian endive or chicoryGrape leavesBroccoli Rabe/Rapini(steamed)Dandelion Greens(raw or boiled)Mustard greens (steamed)Turnip greens(steamed)Curly KaleGreen onion (green part)ShallotsBroccoli steamedFennel(raw or boiled)Brussels sprouts ( steamed or boiled)

too much nutrients?

2014-08-13T01:17:29.000Z

is too much of certain nutrients a bad thing? on cronometer it says im getting over 200% of daily requirements for pretty much every vitamin, mineral, and protein.

how many grams of fat?

2014-08-05T19:05:12.000Z

i've been doing rawtill 4 for less than a month. easting about 3000 calories a day. and i realized i could be eating a 300 calorie avocado everyday and still keep my ratios at 80/10/10 (i dont do this). so is there like a limit of how many grams of fat you should be eating? it seems like just by following the ratios you could be adding more carb calories in order to make up for fat intake lol. i get around 15 grams of fat everyday without eating any overt fats. is that okay? im 5'4 female age 16. i exercise pretty regularly

also, according to chronometer on most days my ratio of omega 6 to 3 is pretty out of whack. about 2.5:1 without any overt fats. is this okay?

thanks!! :)

Juice after cooked meal?

2014-08-03T23:07:51.000Z

would it be a bad idea to have some pasteurized juice after my cooked meal? is that going to have an effect on my digestion of my cooked meal?
how about some freshly squeezed orange juice?

White rice and Type 2 Diabetes

2014-08-01T19:29:18.000Z

Hey guys!

So I have been eating RT4 for the past 3 months with my cooked meal being 1-2 cups of rice paired with lettuce and tomatoes. I have been thriving on this lifestyle, however, I recently read some articles stating how rice in general can cause type 2 diabetes. I have noticed a little bit of puffiness which I am assuming is from the rice because I have eliminated all sodium.

Should I be concerned about weight gain or developing diabetes? Should I give up rice all together and find another type of starch like potatoes for my dinner?

I would love advice because when it comes to cooked foods I am so confused!

Feeling tired/lethargic after cooked food...?

2014-07-30T19:20:56.000Z

Hi everyone!Ive been doing raw til 4 since i joined this website over a year ago and i absofruitly love it. The only thing i am finding at the moment is that i am feeling very tired or lethargic after i eat my evening cooked meal. I try to make them big to get the carbs in as Freelee recommends but it seems when i have a bigger meal i just zonk out and want to go straight to bed. It doesnt matter if its white rice, white potatoes, sweet potatoes or gluten free corn pasta, i still feel the same which i think is weird as ive been on this lifestyle for a while now?I make sure that i drink plenty of water before and after ive eaten the meal but it doesnt seem to help.Just wondered if anyone had experienced this and then it went away or if anyone had found reasons why? It seems when i eat a smaller cooked meal i can still do something in the evening after i eat! Haha At the moment im just vegging out reading (then fall asleep with the book on my face! Haha ) The weathers so lovely here at the moment i want to go outside and do a walk or something but i feel like i have no energy because its all being used up digesting my foodbaby! HahaThanks everyone, really appreciate your advice :)

Sweet potato Vs White potato

2014-07-30T03:32:44.000Z

I always see freelee and most HCLF's eating white potato as a staple. I"m about to go shopping and dont know which one to choose, as I prefer the sweet potato but does white digest better or is better for weightloss ?

White Rice, Sodium, Weight Loss

2014-07-27T05:46:20.000Z

Hello!

I was wondering how people here have experienced long-term weight loss from raw til 4 - particularly without extreme sodium restriction.

I started eating raw in the end of 2013, ping-ponged for a bit, and am now eating mostly raw til 4 - some days are all raw, but maybe 1 day a week minimum. It's much more manageable for me, a guy who lives in Austin TX and doesn't drive. I don't want to be at the grocery store 5 days a week!

What I ate today: 2 banana/basil/lemon smoothies (1000 cal), brown rice penne w/raw veggies (300-400 cal???) and white basmati rice with raw veggies (guesstimating 700 cal). The rice/veggie dishes had lemon and/or champagne vinegar, agave nectar, salt, and seasonings (thyme/curry powder/etc). I don't go nuts with salt. I use less than 1 teaspoon of Himalayan crystal salt a day. Sometimes I use tamari, but not much. I've never been a sodium freak. I just like how it flavors my food. Sometimes I put it in smoothies. How relevant is this for long-term weight loss? It seems reasonable to think that the fat will still come off if I'm eating low-fat. I know that sodium causes bloating, but it's only short term. I don't seem to feel weird from the salt I eat. Fat, however, hits me quite strongly! Especially oils! Compared to how I used to eat, I *am* eating a low sodium diet now. It's not super restrictive, though.

How has your sodium intake affected your long-term weight loss? I'd love to hear your stories. Thanks!

Organic Cane Sugar?

2014-06-28T17:28:41.000Z

Hi, lately i've been struggling getting my calories in the day time. At night I will eat a high carb startch, but even then I don't reach 2500 cals. Lately i'e been adding Organic Cane Sugar in my banana smoothies for an easy way to add an extra 200 cals. Is this a good idea to add sugar to every banana smoothie? Will the packaged sugar cause long term weight gain or weigt loss? Thank you <3

8 Months in and getting fatter by the day

2014-06-14T06:41:43.000Z

Hey, Both my girlfriend and I began the RT4 back in October 2013 and although enjoy the lifestyle we both have noticed weight gain. I've read lots of people who have gained weight and that Harley and Freelee choose cooked food to help them stay at a healthy weight but, we are gaining quite a bit.

When I started I weighed 70kg and was 13% body fat. I am now 76Kg with 16% body fat! I've gone from feeling happy and lean to depressed and podgy! My clothes are now starting to feel tight, I've got Moobs and noticable buda belly. My girlfriend is the same. We are both trying hard to stay positive and focused enough to stay true the RT4 principles but it is becomming really hard as we continue to gain weight as slow down in our activities as we get heavier.

My question is, Can anyone testify that they have gained weight and eventually lost it by following the RT4 ? Freelee was Raw before and overweight. We were at a happy weight but have now gained! I'm just looking for motivation that this is the right path. We're going to the RT4 festival in Thailand so I guess we can ask people then but right now I'm getting desperate.

In case you ask, we are both active, cycling 15 miles to work and 15 back, run on days off etc and follow the rules to the letter.

Weight

2014-06-13T20:59:20.000Z

Delete CommentHi, since starting this lifestyle 2 months ago I've gone from 9 stone 3lb to 9 stone 11lb but with no visible weight gain. I've been doing exercise most days, nothing too strenuous. I'm just curious as to why it is not visible, is it muscle mass from the exercise I started doing when I joined this lifestyle? Do any of you have any simular experiences? It is not putting me off at all, I feel amazing.Thanks :)

calcium&Iron

2014-06-07T05:39:52.000Z

Hey guys! I'm rawtill4 for about 3 months now and I have a problem. I never seem to fill my calcium needs on cronometer and I also have struggels to get all the iron in. Any tipps? Because if I don't fix it my mom will make me eat animal products again and I don't want that!!! Thanks a lot for your help:)

oatmeal

2014-06-04T02:23:40.000Z

is oatmeal ok to eat on raw till 4? It gives me tons of energy which i love...but i am not sure if this is okay because there is some fat in oatmeal? its only like 2 grams though!! also a bit freaking out because i have now been hclf vegan 2 months...and ive gained probably ten pounds which is freaking me out!! i had been restricting before...so i do get that it is just part of the process but still kind of frustrated!!

bloating and gas

2014-06-02T03:59:33.000Z

I am on day 14 of raw till 4. Ive been a vegetarian basically vegan for 14 years.

Im wondering why I am beyond bloated and gassy.

I usually have the date smoothie in the am and sometimes afternoon as well...afternoon meaning 12:30 pm. This will include 2-3 bananas and 5-8 dates and thats it....lots of water. Then in the evening around 6 I have been having white rice with sometimes home made sauce, no salt. Sometimes potatoes...again no salt.

Every day gets worse and I feel worse.

I was never a drinker, smoker...any of that and no caffiene either. My digestion is great....Ive been going 3-4 times a day.

Any advice???

Cooked rice every other day??

2014-05-27T18:38:11.000Z

Hi guys! So I live in Chile, South America and it has been hard getting the amount of fruit I need to stay fully raw every day due to a financial budget and 2 other family members who are not vegan and purchase processed foods with this budget. So with that being said I have my back up of rice (because I tend to break out and have digestive issues with potatoes) probably every other day depending on how much fruit is left for the 3 of us.My family has agreed to use the majority of the budget for produce (thank God) but it's still not enough for me to fully thrive on just raw 24/7. My question is does this have an effect on my body's ability to motabolize properly because I am not routinely eating fully raw dinners after 4? Am I putting my body through an unnecessary rollercoaster?

Face flares up during potato dinner?

2014-05-26T20:50:05.000Z

I've noticed that every time I have a high carb potato dinner my face goes really red and hot. Has anyone else experienced this? Should I stop eating potatoes?

Help :( 3 months in a considering going off this lifestyle

2014-05-21T14:13:58.000Z

Hi guys,

This is my first post on 30 bananas a day. I just feel at loss at what to do. I began eating vegan in February and slowly converted to 80/10/10 cooked vegan. I eliminated coffee, soda, salt, processed foods, and try to eat mostly pure simple foods.

However, I've found that I have almost reached my heaviest weight when I am eating the healthiest of my life. I even cut out drinking alcohol for one month and ran 3 times a week with no results.

I'm coming to you because I'm so confused. There is no doubt in my mind that this is the healthiest lifestyle, but I can never feel happy because I don't feel myself in my body. I don't want to restrict my calories because that is what led me to this lifestyle in the first place!

Here are my ideas for what I will do and please let me know which you think is best or what has worked for you:

Current plan I'm starting:

- Eliminate all non-homemade from scratch sauces and condiments.

- Eliminate totally all non-fresh foods/GMOs/Processed crackers, chips, granola, cereal

- Eliminate salt

- Eat smaller portions, don't eat until stuffed/full (for cooked foods only)

- Eat only pure natural foods- steamed or roasted (no oil)

- Eat raw bfast and dinner with cooked lunch (I find that I am less hungry this way)

- No overt fats - (avocados/guac/hummus/chickpeas)

- Less white rice, less white potatoes. More cooked veggies and minimal sweet potatos & brown rice.

- No bread, pitas, pasta, etc.

- 1 alcoholic drink max when in social situations

- Always eat raw when possible

- Exercise 3x a week and train hard

- Stretch/yoga everyday

- Water!!!

No these are all things that I've been kinda doing all these 3 months, the only difference really will me sticking to it 100% and eating less calories.

Please let me know your thoughts and your experience with weight gain/loss!