What do you think? How would you respond if he was actually talking to you?
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What do you think? How would you respond if he was actually talking to you?
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Some of what he is saying makes sense. I personally think it would be a sin to believe that it is morally wrong to eat animals. God did give us the blessing of allowing us to eat animal products. However, saying that it is a sin to NOT eat animal products is a bit extreme. Let's say, hypothetically, that someone did not like the taste of meat or dairy. Would it be a sin for that person to eat only fruits and vegetables because he/she liked them better? Also, let's consider the fact that many many people are lactose intolerant (I think maybe roughly 65% of the human population?). That kind of tells me that maybe our bodies were not meant to digest dairy products, even though some of us may have a stronger tolerance of it than others. I also think it's very important to consider Daniel 1. Daniel tested the king's servants by only eating vegetables and drinking water while they continued to eat meat. After ONLY ten days, Daniel and his friends were much healthier and better-looking than the king's servants. So because of all this, this is where I stand: It is not wrong to eat meat and dairy, but it is also not wrong to NOT eat meat and dairy. God allows us to eat animal products but never commanded us to. I believe it is a personal choice whether or not you consume animal products.
I am kind of new to this whole raw vegan thing. I still have not become vegan yet but am looking into it because it seems like the kind of lifestyle I want to live. My response to this video may not be the best or most educated response because I am so new to this. So if anyone has something to say about what I have said, please feel free to reply. :)
Well you're right. It's not a very complicated subject. Even if you are not a vegan minimizing meats has it's benefits. So does eating plenty of fruits and vegetables. I personally think it's dangerous to become a fundamentalist at anything. For example if you rely on your diet to make you healthy and strong and focus on fitness and always having boxes of fruits around as your main goal(not saying there's anything wrong with that per say) then how can you let God be the solution? At the same time if you live off donuts and coke and coffee and medication what kind of a holy temple is your body for God?
Well, that young man seems to be very convinced by his message.
He makes plenty of assumptions just like "many people use food as a form of worship", "they don't want to take responsibility for their lives" and "they don't want believe their is a creator who created everything". I do not know how he comes up with his conclusions nor do I know what that has to do with a vegan diet.
He even says that God allows us to eat animal products but he doesn't say that God expects us to eat animal products. So what is his point?
I think I would not allow him to talk to me because I don't think he would be interested in a dialogue and I am not interested in him preaching his truth to me.
"He makes plenty of assumptions just like "many people use food as a form of worship", "they don't want to take responsibility for their lives" and "they don't want believe their is a creator who created everything". I do not know how he comes up with his conclusions nor do I know what that has to do with a vegan diet."
If we step away from the "fact" that as humans we can't have facts and only assumptions (little philosophical pun :p ), then he got those things right. There are plenty scientific studies backing that up - which aren't even needed if you observe humans only a bit. Using food as a form of worship is only another way of phrasing emotional eating or using food as a drug to run away - and that already includes the second part, not wanting to take responsibility for their lives, maybe not a 100% but if you use any kind of drug, you are at least running away from some kind of responsibility. As for the last part it is even ridiculous to call that an assumption as there are a huge amount of people declaring openly that they are Atheists, so ... seriously how can you call that an assumption?
"He even says that God allows us to eat animal products but he doesn't say that God expects us to eat animal products. So what is his point?"
In this he is quoting the bible - see Genesis 9:3
http://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Genesis%209%3A3
The point he is making is pretty clear and I don't think anyone can help you if you didn't manage to get that from the video. His "truth" is partly taken from the bible and partly his interpretations of the same and while he does have some assumptions in it, some of which are probably wrong, it was none of the statements you called out. His main message, as I understood it (if I remember it correctly that is :p ), was that Jesus is more important, than what you eat, and if that is what you called "I am not interested in him preaching his truth to me" I wonder why you joined a group called "Jesus lovers unite" in the first place - no offence, just interested because it doesn't make much sense for me.
I joined the group because I wanted to answer It's'a Fruitful life!'s question and to state what I think about it.
The bible verse you are referring to reads as follows:
"Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all thing [...]"
If that is a commandment how do you fulfill it? How do you eat every moving thing that liveth?
I ask that out of curiosity and not to offend anyone. Others are invited to answer my question as well.
I understood the young man from the youtube clip in way as if he wanted to downtalk veganism. If he was just trying to make the point that christians are allowed to eat meat than I got him wrong and I apologize for it.
I think I understand a bit now how & why you perceived the video as you did. The intention of the young man in the video seems to be a positive one, but as I explained a bit further up, there are some logical flaws in his arguments, also from a christian view, so in a way, he was down talking veganism ... but then again he also was not. Mhm. I tried to watch it again to give an accurate answer, but he is talking way too slow to go to the torture of watching it again.
But while he did have some parts in the video that could be interpreted as down talking veganism, I think it was not the purpose of the video, but to raise some issues he thought important to point out - and while he was talking in christian terms, some of them can be still valuable to non Christians as well, once translated at least. Even while his intentions been positive, I still wouldn't recommend this video to anyone because of all the flaws in it - one of the biggest from a Christian POV being that he forgot to mention this part of the bible:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel+1%3A8-16&ver...
Mhm. So I guess your general interpretation of his message about veganism was correct, but ... well it is really hard to write clear about it as a whole because of his logical inconsistencies, mixed with his intentions, the things he was right about, the terminology he used, .... and me being still half asleep :p
As for your question about Genesis 9:3, I would interpret that as a "it is ok to eat meat" and not as a commandment to eat meat - as before that point it was not ok to eat meat and it also wont be in paradise (from a Christian POV)
I hope my dozily state didn't add more confusion XD
Thanks for your response and your understanding, Stephtan!
I think I also understand your point. Some people can become obsessed with the right way of eating to the point where they expect salvation from it.
I for one had several reason to join 30bananasaday. I am vegan because I want to reduce animal suffering. I am also interested in healthy eating. Before I came here I had a hard time to eat healthy because I am sensitive to gluten and corn and sometimes I just did not know what to eat. That forum has helped me to gain health.
I hope that many others find help from 30bad too.
However I do not believe that we can safe the world by telling people about that diet. We cannot replace faith by man made ideas (diets, living habits or political ideas).
Take care and God bless! :)
Interestingly there are quite a few similarities between veganism and Christianity. It is an awkward topic for those aren't vegan/Christian, you (mostly) can't convince people of it with arguments (if they aren't interested already) - and if they don't ask you better don't even start trying, it is a bad idea to judge others who are not vegan/christian and the best way to spread the message is by being a good example and by your testimony on what it did for you.
It is interesting to test poke people with small bits of information though when the situation is right for it and the comment isn't completely out of context, to see how people react, if they even managed to receive the information, if they just ignore it, show interest and ask further questions, admit you are right and then awkwardly change the subject as soon as possible .... :)
Thank you & God bless you as well - Namaste :)
If food or any diet becomes obsession it totally is wrong as it distance us from god and become sin but if we choose to live diat that god intend for us in the first place I don't believe we should be judged specialy by Christian men.
I love Jesus and believe he wouldn't force me to eat meet if I didn't want to kill animat and eat it. I wonder if he ever killed any of the animals he eat.
Vegan diet is maybe not for him but it is for others which doesn't make them sinners in my opinion.
Edit: plus, compassion is not to be neglected just because we follow Christ
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