The Frugivore Diet

pradexodus

2011-04-23T06:08:36.000Z

i want to let pks officially know that due to my various involvements in other projects and groups that i will not be doing my usual route on 30bad upholding guidelines and being meany to violators (and anyone else) thereof. i appreciate the opportunity freelee gave me to play admin and have thoroughly enjoyed it, but i have to get on to other matters as alluded to over the past couple of weeks.

(i have tried to leave the group, but due to ning's rather strange way of doing things, it seems i can't ... nor can freelee remove me. therefore, the only appropriate course of action is to prevent communications from the group. thus i have pradicated myself as far as possible.)

it has been my great pleasure to watch all of you grow as a group and as individuals. understandably, it has also been an honor to have worked with such wonderful and dedicated individuals. your commitment to 30bad is most admirable.

i'll be around on ar/veg threads and issues since 30bad is part of a network we are constructing, so see you around those. i'll be careful not to violate the guidelines ... but if any of you want to issue me a banana-card know that it will be accepted with both respect and humility.

in friendship,

prad

nayeon k

2011-04-22T19:31:27.000Z

wished to leave and sent this to me via pm:

Hi there..

I wish to close my account as soon as possible since I am no longer a Fruitarian. Thank you..

so i assisted her exodus since she couldn't find the door in settings, keeping content in tact.

in friendship,

prad

steven

2011-04-21T03:17:57.000Z

Steven

http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/best-type-of-rice?commentId=2684079%3AComment%3A1075488&xg_source=msg_com_forum

I posted a reminder for him. His response does not acknowledge his mistake, he just changes what he said and states that his post was within guidelines which it is not.

He's rude in general to DR and myself and not clear and imo not worth spending more time on. I would like his posts deleted on this thread. My effort to corral him in fell on deaf ears.

If anyone else wants to address him please do.

Fruitlife

2011-04-20T20:40:42.000Z

Anybody know whats up with this lil mushroom?

http://www.30bananasaday.com/profile/DavidStarkweather?xg_source=activity

he just added this tweet to his page:

too many arseholes on here for my liking

also see some antagonistic replies in this thread:

http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/vegan-billboard-with-mike?xg_source=activity&id=2684079%3ATopic%3A1072577&page=2#comments

Ranting Videos - Delete or not Delete?

2011-04-20T14:35:34.000Z

I did some videos the other day because I saw there were over 13 in the queue! Yeow!

I saw this was approved:

http://www.30bananasaday.com/video/glamorous-aging-no-competition

Is this really 30BAD material? I don't ask to challenge (whoever approved it) but because I deleted two of her other videos containing sort of rambling, "out there" (in my opinion) stuff that I just didn't feel were helpful but maybe I'm wrong and maybe I shouldn't have deleted them.

I think this is a neat lady, and personally I cheer her on, I like that she seems to be coming into her power and really feeling great on an 80/10/10 diet!

However, I think talk of the devil and fat hairy men molesting young children just is a bit too "out there" for me, in the context of 30BAD.

Not that I disagree with her, but the reference in the video, in my opinion, is far too shallow, it's too "sound bite". If someone is going to talk about molestation, it needs to be done with great care, understanding and discernment, not just tossed in as an aside to pandering to a youth culture. That cheapens it to a boogeyman/campfire sort of thing in my mind. Same thing for religious references. I am actually for them, but that being said, they cannot just be tossed in as "preaching to the choir" type of statements. That has the potential to rub people the wrong way and give a really shallow, unbalanaced view of religion in general.

I get the feeling that Karen uses "strong statements" to sort of shock and shake people, to get them to pay attention. I find it over-emotional and in danger of being counter productive, but that's just my opinion.

Anyway, I wanted to touch base with you to let you know about the other 2 videos I deleted in case I was in error. Also, I tossed some of Keela Sanders' videos. She seems really neat and I like her videos, but the ones I deleted seem a lot more suited to a high fat raw vegan site, or one where they approve honey and salt, etc.

I actually wrote a note to Keela, I didn't send it to her, too long for a friend invite, but saved it in case she questions why some of those were deleted.

I thought about writing a similar note for Karen, but decided it would just be a bit too much for me at the moment. I'm in the middle of a lot of stuff here on the farm and at work. But if her feelings are hurt, I'll be glad to send her a note.

My email is gimmefruit@gmail.com, email anytime

2011-04-20T09:47:40.000Z

My email is gimmefruit@gmail.com, email anytime

If you need to make any big decisions or ask any questions please email me there instead of using the PM function.

Thanks friends :)

RawBrahs Video - Freetreat

2011-04-19T21:42:33.000Z

So they've posted a video to be approved about their upcoming retreat this summer.

I'm rather confused as the video has them sharing meals with cows and kissing chickens...Is it just me or does this seem rather odd? The retreat is "free" and is they're saying it's exclusively fruits and vegetables. Granted, I did not make it through the entire video, as I'm not much of a fan of theirs.

I'm not sure whether they were actually expecting it to be approved, or whether they were trying to prove a point of some sort....

I'm questioning whether we approve this video or delete it?

Critical Thinking Thread - Where is he going with this?

2011-04-18T18:15:55.000Z

I've replied numerous times to this thread recently started by PolarBear: http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/critical-thinking-freelees?commentId=2684079%3AComment%3A1070660&xg_source=activity

Now, he does bring up some valid points, but I've tried to point out to him that the entire discussion is based upon assumption. He has ignored this post and is adamantly arguing against 811. No matter what advise is offered to him, he results back to the fact that he believes we are not living the lifestyle properly.

I'm not exactly sure as to what he is trying to prove, but there has been many informational posts regarding what we recommend here on 30BaD. Not only this, but he seems set on discrediting Freelee.

Ex.

"(Specifically Freelee's comment on this post, "Only eat them if you desire them otherwise just focus on getting sufficient amounts of sweet juicy fruits for a start. I notice the peeps who tell us to strongly focus on greens (over fruit) are almost always eating cooked food."

This is interesting to me. What diet is she promoting here? Cooked food? Greens? No greens?

Anyhow, I think charging someone $600 or something for a consultation over a month period on a site that represents 80/10/10 and isn't even doing the diet herself is a little odd to me. Not to mention, I have no idea what her qualifications are to consult anyone."

I offered a screenshot of my daily consumption of food from yesterday, and he seems to believe that this furthers his point that he cannot get adequate nutrients eating this way unless he consumes in excess of 8000 calories.

I'm not sure whether Freelee has access to the internet at the moment, but I can imagine she won't appreciate all of the (uncalled for) negative comments regarding her lifestyle.

Behind Blue Eyes?

2011-04-17T20:44:14.000Z

Now that I'm within this sacred group, I'll take an opportunity to gain hopefully insight into this member that has puzzled me for a long time.

Honestly, I've never dissected his tomes enough to even know whether I disagree with them or not. Just a brief skim feels like a trip:

And the young coconut is the gift that keeps giving the royal tease. Non-violence or LOVE is O.K. orl korrekt with ME. Because if the salt loses savour what can I do? I already told you I'd move to a boot and get laced.

AH Beautiful LOVE. It needed to be peaceful. I've resigned MYSELF to the political wilderness in-line with the one voice. And there will be one greater than the individual with tenacity. I have become just another one of you who sold out with distinction. I am non-violence personified in the 21st century schizoid man.

http://www.30bananasaday.com/profiles/blogs/heart-full-of-soul?xg_source=activity

I'm not calling for any sanctions, but does anybody here have a clue what-the-fig BBE is all about? :)

Juliana

2011-04-16T04:30:20.000Z

This person has posting the following comment on at least 20 people's wall today...

Hello, my name is Juliana, i came across your profile now on this Comment Site . So I decided to stop by an let you know that I really want to have a good friendship with you. Beside i have something special i want to discuses with you, but I find it difficult to express myself here, since it's a public site. I will be very happy, If you can get back to me, through my e-mail. juliana4love_vaye@yahoo.com So we can get to know each other better,and i well give you my pictures and also tell you more about me OK, you can contact me through my e-mail id Is, juliana4love_vaye@yahoo.com
Regard,
Juliana,

http://www.30bananasaday.com/profile/loveJuliana

Please close or delete the following...

2011-04-16T01:00:49.000Z

Please close/delete any discussions/comments detailing free links to Harleys recent Debate. We may need to update the 30BaD Policy of this one because we always delete payed links that members post for free and this case isn't any different.

Harley makes a couple of bucks from each sale (about 3) so people can see it as a donation. He gives SO much information away for free as it is. As Harley says ~ It's like jumping the fence on the organic banana farm and stealing bananas.

Its just not supporting those who deserve it.

Thanks :)

ben & tasha

2011-04-14T04:04:17.000Z

these two haven't exactly had a happy time here.

their posts have been expressive of malcontent.

now we have this blog:

Dogma and Tunnel Vision According to the Woodpecker

some good ideas there to some extent, but the intent considering recent events is questionable.

i don't have time to keep an eye out on them, but others may wish to provide some guidance if they wish to.

in friendship,

prad

Ann "Banana Runner" Gunn

2011-04-12T14:09:44.000Z

I've noticed Ann to be a wee bit argumentative, sometimes posting odd comments that really make no sense and occasionally going against the idea of veganism.

There's nothing yet that points to a direct violation of the rules, but perhaps we should keep an eye on her?

Sometimes she has great comments, but she's definitely alerted my spidy senses. I can't place my finger on it yet....

posting videos on your page

2011-04-11T03:49:34.000Z

Sam Spaiser just told me that he did not submit his video for the video section here, he just wanted it on his page.

Does anyone know how this works?

I've not heard of this happening before.

Cooked/Processed Food "experiment" thread...

2011-04-09T16:41:00.000Z

Hello Fellow PKs!

I've been closely following the PK discussions the past few weeks and have been getting the low down on policies, etc...so...when I saw this discussion:

cooked/processed food experiment

I decided to have a go. My feeling is that she's making excuses so she can eat whatever she likes and get away with it...but I also didn't want to 'put her off' 30BaD by being too 'strict', so I did not officially banana card her, but instead used the text as a reminder...also referred her on to the Welcome Wagon (has been approved 100% for general use yet?)

Anyway, I'm curious if anyone has any feedback, or ideas on approaching situations like this differently?

Thanks!

<3 lilie

Porn Thread to Close and Delete? ummmm

2011-04-09T16:01:52.000Z

Hey PKs,

This discussion is borderline against guidelines. First it is provoking doubts and making fun of vegans.

Second it is very sexual in nature and has the potential to get pornographic right away

Here it is: ummm... how would you answer this? lol Posted by Taylor Novak.

Taylor seems to be a relatively new member and also the originator of the epic banana face pic. I ignored the sexual undertones of the banana face and hoped that it was in innocent fun.

I think Taylor has potential to be a good member, but he needs some guidance that we are a rating PG 13 kind of site, not R.

Peace, PK

"Gaia Gardens raw meat eating community" thread

2011-04-09T00:32:31.000Z

"Ano" from Gaia Gardens has been posting hackneyed anti-vegan nonsense under Josh Eden Snyder's account:

http://www.30bananasaday.com/xn/detail/2684079:Comment:1052163

http://www.30bananasaday.com/xn/detail/2684079:Comment:1052268

http://www.30bananasaday.com/xn/detail/2684079:Comment:1051912

I've told him to buzz off:

http://www.30bananasaday.com/xn/detail/2684079:Comment:1052767

Hopefully he will comply.

Josh Snyder also lives at Gaia Gardens. He is oddly enough the same member who broke the forum guidelines many moons ago promoting raw cannabis and later explained that it isn't a drug but nature's perfect food, fruit being only second best.

04/05/11 Sorry More Video Talk

2011-04-05T18:31:33.000Z

Hey fellow PKs,

Today after a while of procrastination, I decided to look at videos again. I am not sure what the current situation on these two videos is, but here is what I think:

Old Emotions Cooked Food Posted by Sarah Me

I am undecided on this one. The video itself was difficult to hear on my computer. It seems it was filmed in a car, and so the sound quality is not that great.

I understand the person's struggle with cooked food, but at the same time he kept repeating it over and over cooked food and Wendy's almost to the point of redundancy.

The video is only 2 plus minutes, so if one of you does not mind, watch it and decide if it should stay or go. I am borderline on letting it go more impart do to the sound quality, but would not protest if someone wants to approve it.

**********************************************************

Stop Abuse from Others today Posted by owen fox

This was a long one that I actually decided to listen to while doing some chores. I am grateful that I have a portable laptop and wireless internet!

This was also one of those feel good psychobabble almost hippie type of videos that really does not have much to do with lfrv. But then again, there are people on this site that love to "feel".

However, I think I will approve this video just for goodness sake unless some one has a reason not to or to retract.

What I would also like to do is send a PM to owen in this regards: (We have not connected as friends yet, so if anyone is his friend and would not mind)

He can join and promote groups such as the feelers and non violent communication and perhaps put his interests and skills to work in these areas. He can discuss, blog, and imbed his videos in these areas.

He can also be encouraged to participate in the forum discussions of:

Raw Inspiration & High vibrations!

The reason I am recommending this is that I have seen owen refer to some of this psychobabble in discussions that really have nothing to do with psychobabble at all. He likes touchy feely psychobabble and seems to be proud of his abilities to do so, I would just like to channel those abilities in a positive and relevant sense and with people who would have an appreciation for these things.

Peace, PK

Doug Litchee

2011-04-05T06:29:50.000Z

http://www.30bananasaday.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2684079%3ABlogPost%3A1042612&commentId=2684079%3AComment%3A1046139&xg_source=activity

This guy could start a religious war all by himself. I'd like to see his comment here deleted and he needs a good warning about showing disrespect towards other members here.

"The Christian sect represents the religion of the grain people. The story of Cain and Abel is the story of the grain farmer killing the gatherer. From then on the grain people with their religion as their weapon went on a rampage around the planet that knows no equal. Your belief in this religion shows that you have no understanding of what peace or what your religion means. Your religion killed millions of my brothers and sisters in the past and to this very day. Your religion of hate is killing this planet as we speak, destroying my wider family on land, the air and the oceans.

You all have been abused as a child and you probably abuse your children by teaching them your false beliefs as well. I beg you to stop. Enough is enough.

If you are offended by this so be it, the offense (your) religion has done is well beyond any sane person's belief. It is about time that the people oppressed by your and other religions speak out against it with an ever louder voice because you are obviously near deaf and blind. They need to speak out for themselves and those who have no voice to raise against these delusions called religion and the violence that it displays.

You may keep your internal fighting about who said what about meat in your fairy tale book for yourself.

For the record: atheism is not a religion. We are all atheists but I may have one more god than you that I do not belief in."

criteria for group initiations

2011-04-05T04:31:58.000Z

so that we don't need major group purges, i suggest we get some criteria for group creation.

the purpose of a group is to get interested people together to get something done:

30badigos (guerrilla warfare)
creative geniuses (production material for lfrv)
debunking the china study critics (title says it all)
peacekeepers (elaboration not necessary)

i don't think things like:

greek banana eaters
a haggle of 'heidi' haters
raw food eating goddesses for narcissism

are really the intent for the group vehicle.

as a result, i'm only letting in groups that have a clear purpose to be.

in some cases, i'll ask the would-be creator what the intent is and how such intent is to be accomplished. i've already suggested to 2 individuals that their group may be better served as a thread, though i haven't taken any action beyond that yet.

feel free to comment and make suggestions, especially you josh!

in friendship,

prad

raw abbs

2011-04-01T00:47:24.000Z

http://www.30bananasaday.com/photo/raw-abbs-high-fruit?commentId=2684079%3AComment%3A1039142&xg_source=activity

(see Karen's comments regarding her diet)

Being the fresh face here, I'd like to watch and learn from an experienced PK, if I may.

Healing Colitis/Crohn's Disease group

2011-03-29T08:18:40.000Z

http://www.30bananasaday.com/group/healingcolitiscrohnsdisease?commentId=2684079%3AComment%3A774356

This group is a mess imo. The recommendations in numerous comments are not in line with 30BAD. I was going to refer someone suffering from Colitis and Crohn's here and did a search and found this. I think this whole group needs to go, I wouldn't want anyone to read what is shared there other than a couple of helpful posts by Jacob and Mikey, it is a mish mash of confusion, not an example of how you can heal crohn's on lfrv. I would say send an explanation as to why it's going to be deleted to all 11 members and then delete it or send a message to the group to please delete all of their comments that are not within guidelines. Addressing each comment would be time consuming and not worthwhile imo. Are there other groups here veering away like this? I wonder.

I'd like to get other's opinions on it.

A few examples:

"I would also like to point out that many studies have shown that too much fruit, with its high sugar content increase the rate of oxidation and aging in the body."

"Another problem with Crohns is that many people simply cannot consume the quantity of raw food needed for health - it's not a case of trying to increase the amount over time - it simply isn't possibe to eat large quantity of any food."

" I would have used raw honey to get my nutrition as this is as close the perfect food when you cannot tolerate fiber. It fulfills the raw lifestyle, gives us the preferred energy source of the body, carbohydrates in monosugars which are immedaietly absorbed as fruits and raw honey are the only natural sources of monosugars.."

"your family digestive issues look like parasite infestations, shared within the household - I would serioulsy look at natural elimination - Candida , then doing herbal Clove , Black Walnut, Wormwood combo, for family AFTER all household pets have had a complete parasite cleanse."

"I've also had good luck with fermented veggies and coconut water kefir"

Our input/action needed?

2011-03-29T05:06:34.000Z

http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/dont-buy-ceramic-knives-from

Free is already aware of this apparent schister (unfortunately, through personal experience), but I was wondering if anything needs doing on our part either in this thread or regarding Au the person.

Humph! and I "friended" this guy a long time ago! :/

same video entered twice

2011-03-26T18:24:14.000Z

owen fox <3 submitted the same video twice calling one pt. 1 and the other pt.2 but with different descriptions. I will accept one and message him about it, unless somebody else already has.

peace,

Guava

"Scientific backing for the 80/10/10" removed?

2011-03-26T08:36:34.000Z

Hi fellas!

I was just going to create a thread to collect scientific backing to some of the claims that Doug have in his book and so we can give the meat-zombies something to chew on. I found the headline on google "Scientific backing for the 80/10/10" but I guess it got out of hand, without any help to back up Dougs book?

I was wondering if there was any good information in that thread that I could use for my new one?

In love

Jacob

"This is not healthy" thread

2011-03-24T03:40:24.000Z

Strange post by Lucas, I'm not sure what he's getting at but he may be suggesting that lfrv = orthorexia.

http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/this-is-not-healthy

Freelee and Jon Fergus have already made great posts.

Perhaps this would be a good opportunity to contribute our experiences to the discussion on how eating and living this way has actually IMPROVED our relationships with our food, our friends and family, and ourselves; the benefits we've experienced being disciplined with our eating and how it has simplified our lives and gives us more time to do the things we love, etc.

Missing: Sian O'Callaghan

2011-03-23T20:48:40.000Z

Prad and PKs,

This is a delicate situation where a young lady named Sian O'Callaghan has gone missing.

This discussion was started by Parisa.

Missing: Sian O'Callaghan. Please spread awareness so we can find her

(I am not sure if it is the same new member named Sian)

I saw this a day or two ago, but ignored it and decided to see how the community reacted, but very few people have replied.

Now Parisa has mentioned:

I sent Freelee a msg in the hope that we could prioritise this post by making it a featured discussion. Sadly I have not had a reply so if any other admins see this and have the power to make this stand out, please please help, I am begging you.

Personally,

I am sorry the young lady is missing, but not quite sure that 30 BaD is the forum to post it on, and besides condolences, there is not much we can do about it.

I ignored the discussion hoping it would suffice for the community to offer their hearts, thoughts, prayers, but that really did not come to fruition.

Now I feel a vibe of criticism towards Freelee and admins.

Perhaps we can all offer some kind of condolences to comfort Parisa.

In the meantime, how are these kind of situations to be handled in the future?

In Peace, PK

Getting a Scholarship Offer Spam Email from 30 BaD

2011-03-23T16:36:34.000Z

Prad and Pks,

I have recieved several emails that appear to originate from 30 BaD and from groups, but I cannot find those discussions if they are discussions.

Either those things have already been deleted, there is a spammer and or worm active in 30 BaD, or someone is taking advantage of spam-messaging group members.

I have recieved four emails originating form a 30 BaD Group that read like this:

Subject: Listen, there’s a little known scholarship for hard-working people! Don’t miss out!: LFRV Weight Loss‏

Email Content: A message from Deborah Greenbaum to all members of LFRV Weight Loss on 30 Bananas a Day!!

 
Listen, there’s a little known scholarship for hard-working people!  Don’t miss out!
 
http://edulinkoffer.com/x/0/2028/25666/banana
 
Visit LFRV Weight Loss at:
http://www.30bananasaday.com/groups/group/show?id=2684079%3AGroup%3A430856&xg_source=msg_mes_group

In Peace, PK

Cliff

2011-03-22T21:52:17.000Z

I've noticed that one of our members, Cliff, likes to consistently challenge the low fat raw vegan lifestyle.

I have commented on his posts many times in the past, always with no reply.

He seems to go out of his way to challenge the guidelines of 80/10/10 and 30BaD. Has anyone else noticed this? His posts always seem quite arrogant.

You can find his most recent posts in the replies on this discussion. I issued him a banana card, as he was going on about 20-25% fat being optimal.

Didn't know if he had been discussed in the past, but I have to say i'm not too fond of good ol' Cliff. I've heard him spouting anti-vegan propaganda in the past.

Cheat Month

2011-03-22T20:45:48.000Z

Here's the thread...

"Hi

I've been falling of the wagon quite a bit lately and now I'm back at eating raw, however I'm not sure if I can stay raw all the time.

I was thinking about allowing myself one cheat month once a year, doesn't mean I'll eat only cooked during this month, I'm going to allow steamed vegs basically, no grains or animal products or fatty foods. One month sounds like a lot but from experience I can't do one cheat day so might as well just dedicate one month per year and stay 100% raw for other 11 months.

What do you think about this?"

I don't particularly think this is a good idea, as everyone knows the spiral effect that can happen when one consumes cooked food after a long period of time without it.

I've posted a response with a friendly reminder that we do not recommend periods of cooked foods.