Any of you who were serious trainers on a typical bodybuilding diet, such as a 30-30-40 fat, protien, carb split(with meat) that have comments about the differences you see in your strength/size on lfrv? I completely believe in the lfrv lifestyle (although occasionally I struggle with cooked vegan due to a brutal work schedule/sleep loss). For health we all know nothing comes close to lfrv but building substantial muscle???
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I strength train 5x a week and since going to a more raw lifestlye with LFRV I have actually gained strength in pullups/pushups and muscle endurance. (I was more cooked vegan before that with more fat and a big focus on protein avg 140 grams a day or more) I was super shocked at first because im thinkin wow I have had hardly any protein or fats and i feel great?! I will also say that my digestion has gotten a ton better and I never get tired during lifting and during my workouts I find myself not really wanting to stop! Its very odd, I have taken some preworkout formulas in the past that have given me an edge but then I feel crappy after but with naturally carbing up on fruit I feel an edge the whole time and theres no need for anything like that.
I've been HCRV for 9 weeks now, and have struggled with this as well. I had been on some form of you typical low fat, high protein, low carb weight lifting regiment for years with varying results. I had built up quite a substantial amount of body mass over the last year (on purpose), I'm 5'11'' and was up to about 190lbs. Since I went HCRV I have been doing the same kind of high intensity weight lifting routine and I have dropped down to 168 since my last measurement this week. Definitely a good chunk of that was body fat as I look very lean now. However, a good portion was also muscle mass. I've noticed my arms and chest are smaller. Lost about and inch in diameter in my upper arms.
My weight loos has tapered off the last few weeks and I seem to be stable at around 170lbs now. I have been really hitting it hard on my upper body workouts (where I am looking to gain mass) with low rep, heavy sets, and have seen no where near the effect this used to have on a high protein diet. This has led me to some cooked vegan options such as brown rice and black beans for a bit increased protein, which isn't optimal. I try to keep this to a minimum and am about 80/5/15, carb/fat/protein.
I am trying to keep away from that trend, however if you want to build some serious muscle mass that seems to be what is necessary. Although, it seems that we are not meant to be the muscle bound giants you see in bodybuilding competitions. Rather, our physiology tends for a strong, lean and mobile body. I still am very strong, I can put up my body weight on the bench press and rep it out multiple times, but I am not hulking out. I feel great, minus the lack of sleep because of work lately haha. I had quit drinking coffe and all stimuilants, and I tell ya, there is no way I would be able to function on this little sleep lately without them on my old diet. Since I went HCRV though, no problem.
Bottom line is this is a tough area, lol. This is merely what I've seen personally. I'd rather be lean with a solid core and have the agility, than have 21 inch arms and not be able to touch my back. If you want some more advice on this topic check out http://veganbodybuilding.com/?page=news
There is tons of info on there and all ranges of vegan diet advice. Hopefully this helped give you some insight and will send ya where you want to go.
I am a very athletic person and did 60 20 20 for a while to try to build muscle and endurance. I felt like crap compared to how I feel now. I workout an hour a day now and feel great on this diet. Increasing fat and protein decreased my energy and performance. I have not built muscle though just maintained which is ok for me as long as performance is still good. I can't offer advice if you are trying to increase bulk/muscle.... Increasing protein slightly or calories might help.
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I strength train 5x a week and since going to a more raw lifestlye with LFRV I have actually gained strength in pullups/pushups and muscle endurance. (I was more cooked vegan before that with more fat and a big focus on protein avg 140 grams a day or more) I was super shocked at first because im thinkin wow I have had hardly any protein or fats and i feel great?! I will also say that my digestion has gotten a ton better and I never get tired during lifting and during my workouts I find myself not really wanting to stop! Its very odd, I have taken some preworkout formulas in the past that have given me an edge but then I feel crappy after but with naturally carbing up on fruit I feel an edge the whole time and theres no need for anything like that.
I've been HCRV for 9 weeks now, and have struggled with this as well. I had been on some form of you typical low fat, high protein, low carb weight lifting regiment for years with varying results. I had built up quite a substantial amount of body mass over the last year (on purpose), I'm 5'11'' and was up to about 190lbs. Since I went HCRV I have been doing the same kind of high intensity weight lifting routine and I have dropped down to 168 since my last measurement this week. Definitely a good chunk of that was body fat as I look very lean now. However, a good portion was also muscle mass. I've noticed my arms and chest are smaller. Lost about and inch in diameter in my upper arms.
My weight loos has tapered off the last few weeks and I seem to be stable at around 170lbs now. I have been really hitting it hard on my upper body workouts (where I am looking to gain mass) with low rep, heavy sets, and have seen no where near the effect this used to have on a high protein diet. This has led me to some cooked vegan options such as brown rice and black beans for a bit increased protein, which isn't optimal. I try to keep this to a minimum and am about 80/5/15, carb/fat/protein.
I am trying to keep away from that trend, however if you want to build some serious muscle mass that seems to be what is necessary. Although, it seems that we are not meant to be the muscle bound giants you see in bodybuilding competitions. Rather, our physiology tends for a strong, lean and mobile body. I still am very strong, I can put up my body weight on the bench press and rep it out multiple times, but I am not hulking out. I feel great, minus the lack of sleep because of work lately haha. I had quit drinking coffe and all stimuilants, and I tell ya, there is no way I would be able to function on this little sleep lately without them on my old diet. Since I went HCRV though, no problem.
Bottom line is this is a tough area, lol. This is merely what I've seen personally. I'd rather be lean with a solid core and have the agility, than have 21 inch arms and not be able to touch my back. If you want some more advice on this topic check out http://veganbodybuilding.com/?page=news
There is tons of info on there and all ranges of vegan diet advice. Hopefully this helped give you some insight and will send ya where you want to go.
-Luigi
I am a very athletic person and did 60 20 20 for a while to try to build muscle and endurance. I felt like crap compared to how I feel now. I workout an hour a day now and feel great on this diet. Increasing fat and protein decreased my energy and performance. I have not built muscle though just maintained which is ok for me as long as performance is still good. I can't offer advice if you are trying to increase bulk/muscle.... Increasing protein slightly or calories might help.