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Definition: Guerrilla warfare is the unconventional warfare and combat with which small group combatants use mobile tactics (ambushes, raids, etc.) to combat a larger, less mobile formal army. The guerrilla army uses ambush (draw enemy forces to terrain unsuited to them) and mobility (advantage and surprise) in attacking vulnerable targets in enemy territory. (source Wikipedia)


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  • Hey, wanted to see some examples of effective arguing against real people. I've fought a bunch of battles, but I'm not sure if I'm convincing anyone. I feel like a bull in a china closet destroying weak arguments quickly. Yet, I'm not sure if I'm convincing anyone.

  • welcome future unlimited!

    thx for your contribution!

    in friendship,

    prad

  • Greetings Comrades. Here are a couple of propagation tools for pointing out who are the real Nazis:

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  • welcome rebecca ann!

    in friendship,

    prad

  • ok i know what you are talking about now sw. :D

    www.humanewatch.org is just another of the center for consumer freedom (or foolishness) sites. look at the bottom of the page and you'll see.

    you may know about ccf, but if you don't here's the scoop on them:

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Consumer_Freedom

    http://consumerdeception.com/index.asp

    http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/opposition/facts/center_for_con...

    i wouldn't worry too much about them. they've been trying to decimate peta and hsus for around a decade now, but hasn't figured out that all they manage to do is provide free publicity.

    if you want, start a thread on the main forum about all this and people can be referred to it and the stuff ccf do (though we have many posts about them on 30bad like this one).

    in friendship,

    prad

  • inform who and where? you haven't provided any links.

    here's some science on bacon you might find useful:

    Bacon and Botulism

    The nitrite preservatives in processed meats such as bologna, bacon, ham, and hot dogs form carcinogenic nitrosamines but also reduce the growth of botulism bacteria, forcing regulators to strike a balance between consumers risking cancer or a deadly form of food poisoning.

    Carcinogens in the Smell of Frying Bacon

    Frying bacon outdoors decreases the concentration of airborne nitrosamine carcinogens.

    Vitamin C-Enriched Bacon

    The addition of vitamin C to processed (cured) meats such as bacon may actually make them more carcinogenic.

    so even if people think they are being humane towards pigs which they are not (check http://humanemyth.org/), promoting bacon is certainly not humane towards humans.

    in friendship,

    prad

  • hi sw! i don't quite understand what it is you want. can you explain what you'd like people here to do?

    in friendship,

    prad

  • welcome mama orangutan!

    glad you've joined us!

    in friendship,

    prad

  • delighted to have you here daniel!

    in friendship,

    prad

  • newest recruit presenting himself for service! at your command, captain prad! i'm ready to fight for the life and freedom of my animal friends! their suffering must come to an end! lead us to victory, wise and noble leader! i await for your orders! 

    your most loyal friend and disciple,

    daniel

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